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Vet Dungeon Crawl with tnliverpool

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tnliverpool
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Posted On: 04/22/2015 at 05:51 AM

Greetings Gaiscioch and fellow dungeoneers!  I've decided to revise my dungeon crawl event.  The event will now run Mon-Fri evening on a rotating schedule.  This post will (hopefully) be linked to the events and serve as a reference point for anyone that wishes to sign up.  In addition please note the following special announcement:

IF YOU ARE SIGNING UP FOR THIS EVENT, PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS THREAD WITH A LIST OF YOUR CHARACTERS AT VET LEVELS AND THE ROLES THEY CAN FULFILL.  ALSO PLEASE NOTE WHICH CHARACTER YOU PREFER, IF ANY, TO PLAY.

This will help me determine what role I need to fill in as that day, as well as give me a chance to plan out role I might be missing.  For these runs we will be doing the 4-man dungeons in the typical 1 Tank, 1 Healer, 2 DPS form.

For those of you that want to prepare for the dungeon ahead of time, Jairone has been writing guides for all the vet dungeons in the game and they can be found right here on the Gaiscioch forums.  In addition, you can utilize Deltia's Gaming as another great source of guides for the vet content.  I'll also point out a few helpful things here in this thread.

STATS:

Ok, so ESO is very friendly in terms of playing your character how you want.  I fully support that and will never tell anyone they are playing their character wrong.  I have no problem offering my personal advice if you ask or even during specific fights offering suggestions on certain skills that work well for the fight.  One thing that I will highly stress is minimum stats.  Not only will this help you survive, it will help the entire group be successful.  Really the only truly important stat is health.  Certain fights have mechanics where the entire team will take unavoidable damage.  For squishier people (looking at you light armor DPS!) this can potentially mean you are one-shotted.  This is never fun for anyone when this happens.  So, in light of that I am going to recommend the below health numbers.  

HEALTH: ~20,000 at VR14  -  ~15,000 at VR1  (this equals about 360 HP per vet rank)

Yep, that's a lot of health.  I tend to be over conservative, but just remember that you can't heal or DPS if you are dead on the floor.  Now, you can go below these numbers if you are confident with your build, play style, and confident in general at running vet dungeons (avoiding red, dodging, kiting, etc.).  In addition, if you have a self cast damage shield (sorc hardened ward for example) you can also shave a little off.  On my Sorc as a DPS I run about 18.5-19.5k at VR14 depending on PvP buffs.  At VR 14 going below 18k health can be risky for the entire group.  Also note, these numbers are for the healer/dps only.  Tanks of course need much higher health pools (my tank sits at about 29k at VR14).

GENERAL ADVICE

  • AVOID THE RED!  Serious!  For solo questing and open world PvE you can mostly just ignore this and stand in the red and not worry at all.  In dungeons, you will die.  Dodge roll out of these circles and areas and your healer will thank you.
  • TRY TO STAY CLOSE!  Ok, so this can be really hard at times.  Lots of stuff is going on in these fights.  For large groups, the closer you can all stay the easier it is to heal everyone.  In addition, for large groups the DPS should be using AoE skills.  The closer the group is, the closer the baddies are, the easier they are to kill. Some dungeons and fights have lots of ranged baddies so this can be tricky.
  • HEALERS FIRST!  By this point everyone should recognize the baddies healer beam.  Follow that beam, interrupt the caster and kill it!  Healers in vet dungeons heal quite well and will make fights much more difficult.  They are almost always the top priority.
  • CASTERS, ARCHERS, MELEE, OH MY! After healers are dead this is the general target priority.  Swirling hands are casters, archers... well they have a bow.  And melee are big guys with two handed swords or dual wield.  If they have a shield, save them for last.  Tank aggro order is different as they should grab melee first and foremost then stand by the enemy healer to interupt.
  • RUN TOWARDS THE GROUP!  Tanks often can't keep all the baddies attention and at some point a bad guy will notice you and want to kill you.  Either kill him first, or if you need to run closer to the group.  Running away will get you nothing, especially no heals.
  • DODGE/BLOCK is your friend.  Make use of that stamina and dodge roll big attacks or block them.  Pure magicka DPS should try to always have enough stamina for one dodge roll or ....
  • BREAK FREE!  If you are CC'd break free immediately.  Of course you need stamina for this so always try to maintain enough stamina to break free.  Certain dungeons this can be a challenge as lots of CC is getting tossed about (Fear in Elden Hollow for example).
  • DON'T STAND IN FRONT OF THE BOSS!  So the tank should generally try to turn the boss away, but certain mechanics will result in the big guy staring you down for a few seconds.  If during this time he does the "cleave" attack (almost all bosses have a frontal cone attack of some type) you will likely die.  Only the tank should be getting hit by this.  If the boss is looking at you, consider it the same as if you were standing in red and GET OUT!
  • KITE TO TANK!  Sometimes due to mechanics or a missed taunt, the big bad boss will turn to you and take out his anger on you.  As a healer or DPS this is bad.  Don't run away!  In fact, its often better to charge the boss, dodge roll through him and get to the tank.  This will get the tank and boss re-united and hopefully the tank can get a taunt in.  Don't ever think "This big boss isn't so bad!  I can take a few hits while the healer keeps me alive and the tank gets aggro back."  NO!  Stay alive by kiting the boss back to the tank.  Tanks, don't over taunt (too many taunts in certain period will drop aggo and boss is un-tauntable for a short while) and try not to drop aggro.  If you do, use undaunted ranged taunt or sword/shield taunt to re-acquire ASAP!

That's all I have for now in terms of general advice with the exception of one final thing.  It's so important it's getting it's own headline.

COMMUNICATION

We will use RC channel Dungeons for most these events.  If that channel is occupied we will of course find a different one.  While I will not require anyone to be in RC, I cannot stress enough its importance.  First, I will explain in detail each boss fight and all the mechanics before starting it.  Second, many fights require people to call out when bad things happen.  Typing it out is a huge slow pain.  Even if you can't talk in RC, at least try to get in to listen.  Second, if you are doing the quest for that particular dungeon you might need a pause to wait for a quest NPC.  Or maybe you see a chest, or you want to swap a skill out.  Please let the group know about these things.  It is miserable as a tank to charge into the next group of trash mobs only to turn around and see your group in the distance opening a chest.  So, openly and frequently communicate so the group knows when a fight is about to start, when a break is needed, when questions need to get answered... just in general the more communication going on the better.

 

Thanks for reading and I look forward to you joining me for a fun filled evening of dungeoneering!  Please remember to respond to this thread with your list of characters and the roles they can fulfill!

 

Drinks-with-Two Fists -  VR14 Templar Tank(preferred)/DPS

Kitturn Darkheart - VR14 Sorcerer DPS/Healer

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Jairone
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Replied On: 04/22/2015 at 08:52 AM PDT
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My only comment to this is that, in many cases, the tank should not be taking the frontal cone attack either.  The way to tell is if you start moving, and the cone follows you (very rare) you need to take it and not step to the side where you may kill your group members.  In most cases, however, the tank can and should go ahead and step out of the frontal cone.

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AlanM
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Replied On: 04/23/2015 at 03:45 AM PDT

Oss'tokil V14 stam dps.  Didn't see what time you will be running but I am mostly available at about 9:00 Eastern.  Finals arew approaching though so I am probably not gonna be on much in the next couple of weeks.



» Edited on: 2015-04-23 03:46:14

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Replied On: 04/23/2015 at 05:25 AM PDT

main toon VR14 magika Templar/ run tank right now but with a few switchs in gear he can do anything

also have a vr5 stam dk. 

 

spring is here so my time is getting cut down a lot

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Replied On: 04/23/2015 at 11:19 AM PDT
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Can't make today's - one I'll never be getting on at 6:30pm EST unless for some crazy reason hubby and I eat a big lunch and don't bother having dinner!  Second, going to be out at an art thing at church tonight learning more about lettering and graphic arts concepts which should be fun.

However, if and when I can make an event I'll probably bring Briseadh who can be a full out healer or a DPS.  She is just shy of the 20K requirement as a VR13 without buffs.  Usually around 23K when buffed.  I think she may not be in VR13 gear, but her gear is within a couple levels and all purple so that helps.

Don't mess with Mama Bear, I might hug you too tight. =D
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verve
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Replied On: 04/23/2015 at 12:21 PM PDT
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for 4-23; v14 sorc-dps, v14 temp-dps/heals

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Jairone
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Replied On: 04/23/2015 at 01:33 PM PDT
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Also, toon wise:

Tallar:  VR14 Sorc DPS or Heals, capable of setting up with a weapon swap mixed build to work some of each.

Yter:  VR4-ish Tank.

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papo64
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Replied On: 04/24/2015 at 08:03 AM PDT

Toon wise I've just got

Na'giel NB Vet 14 DPS

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Selrina
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Replied On: 04/25/2015 at 06:52 AM PDT

Count me in if you have room!

Selrina V14 DPS Sorc

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VR12 Sorc - 20K+ health & Magic - DPS and can off-heal

VR14 Templar - 20K+ health and magic - DPS or heals



» Edited on: 2015-05-06 06:08:37

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Thyth
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Replied On: 05/05/2015 at 06:50 PM PDT

I must have missed this when it was originally posted. 

VR4 Templar - main heals or decent dps

VR4 Dragon Knight - Spec'd for tank but I am not really comfortable with it yet.

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Won't make the next one you scheduled.  3:30pm pdt is 6:30 edt, my time, and that is in dinner time along with just hanging with the hubby for a bit before he gets watching ball games and I get back on here around 8pm edt usually.  Hope these are going well.

Don't mess with Mama Bear, I might hug you too tight. =D
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Replied On: 05/18/2015 at 11:38 AM PDT

Greetings!

My wife and I recently joined the family (yesterday) and we have both felt very welcome so thank you for that!

We have experience with Vet content in ESO on a limited basis and have been gaming together for many years. We are looking forward to more vet content and challenges, most of our knowledge comes from the magic of Google and various dungeon guides. We have completed all regular dungeons.

We have completed Wayrest Sewers Vet Pledge 4 times and been to the end boss of both Banished Cell and Crypt of Hearts without quite finishing. 2nd boss on Fungal Grotto for 2 hours of teeth gnashing and broken armor... sad panda.

I am a DK tank at VR6 currently, and Asharei runs heal or DPS as a Templar V5

We typically game from around 8pm to midnight on a fairly regular basis when I am not traveling for work.

We are open to guidance, tweaking of attributes, boss strategies, whatever you have to impart to us.

See you in Tamriel!

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