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Help me get Izmina back on her feet again.

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Foghladha
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Posted On: 07/01/2014 at 11:01 AM
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Last month one of our long time elders Izmina suffered the loss of her computer. Over the years she has been handling the majority of invites, proofing, and general maintenance of the family. Unfortunately her real life situation does not allow her the finances to afford a new computer.

Together we can build her a new one. We are going to try to raise $700 to help support a woman who has gone above and beyond when we needed her most and has helped this family through 3 games.

This is completely voluntary but I will reward contributions at the rate of 100 Contribution Points per dollar.

Please do not feel pressured to contribute if you don't feel comfortable with it. I would not normally do this but if we can't help Izmina out of this situation we will be losing her as one of our cornerstones to running this family. She can not afford a new computer in her current situation. She has been a major reason this family has run so smoothly for the past 4 years. Thanks for understanding.

 

Thank you everyone! We managed to raise enough to get Izmina going again. Amazing turnout for this. The vast numbers of huge hearts in this family floors me sometimes. This is one of those moments when I really realize just how much of a family this is. Thanks everyone!

Last Edited on: 07/01/2014 at 10:28 PM
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Replied On: 07/01/2014 at 03:35 PM PDT
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Not much but done! I think it's awesome to help her out as a family!

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Replied On: 07/01/2014 at 05:50 PM PDT
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Crowd funding FTW, enjoy Izzy.

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Replied On: 07/01/2014 at 06:43 PM PDT
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This is really impressive, so cool to know how much this group stands behind and with each other :)

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Replied On: 07/02/2014 at 01:34 AM PDT

Darn, I wish I had seen this sooner and there was more info in this post on how to donate :( I would have gladly donated toward this.  That is what family does for one another! If there is still a need, or a way I can contribute anyway please let me know!



» Edited on: 2014-07-02 01:39:11

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Replied On: 07/02/2014 at 03:39 AM PDT
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How do we donate?

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Doreth
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Replied On: 07/02/2014 at 04:10 AM PDT

there was a link in Fog's post that directed you to the donation site.. but I think we got what he needed in about 7 hours or so...

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I didn't get a chance to donate before you reached your goal.  Please let me know if there's anything else that's needed.  

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Replied On: 07/02/2014 at 05:19 AM PDT
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I would repost the link, but it is not my place to do so.  My 2 cent is to repost the link since the collection is still open and give her a beast.

But as I said, it's not up to me.

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Replied On: 07/05/2014 at 10:56 AM PDT

Link is missing for me also.  Please repost the link Fog!

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No need, but ty soo much to everyone. My computer arrived this morning and I am busy reloading everything.

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Replied On: 07/05/2014 at 01:50 PM PDT
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So glad to help out (even the meager amount I contributed). When might the contribution points be given out Fog? I've been stuck at 70% for quite a while. :-(

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Replied On: 07/05/2014 at 02:42 PM PDT
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Alana, contribution points are for Family Vault Credits.  They are not Honor or Fellowship points.  In this case, maybe a boost to honor points would be appropriate, but that is not for me to decide.

To everyone who did contribute, would have except for being low on funds or late to the party... this type of behavior is exactly what makes this group awesome.

Grats on the new computer Izzy!

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Replied On: 07/05/2014 at 06:51 PM PDT
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I have all the honor and fellowship, but am lacking contribution points. That is what Fog said we would receive if we helped. I guess I didn't realize they were fault credits. That's not what is holding me up. :)

 

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Replied On: 07/05/2014 at 11:55 PM PDT
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Alana, I'm not sure what Jairone was getting at, but I'm sure Fog will give out the contribution points when he can. If you mouse over each of the icons at the top of the page, you can see all about them.  

Ex: Contribution Points : Earned by donating and supplying member with much needed equipment for the battles ahead. Measure of one's willingness to give. And then the progress to the next tier.

 

What I think Jairone was referring to were Family Vault Credits (FVC) which you get 1 FVC per 1 Contribution point/ 1 Family Honor Point.

 

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Replied On: 07/06/2014 at 11:34 PM PDT
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Oh my... contribution points... yes, I was thinking vault credits.  I guess that might be more common, with no general acceptance of donation materials in ESO.

I hadn't even thought about that!  That might be a very valid point, and the levels might even need addressing given that in the past people got TONS of contribution that way.  In that case, yes, I would expect you will get them soon.

Maybe a note from one of the elders on the potential issue with contribution with no donation acceptance in ESO?



» Edited on: 2014-07-06 23:35:32

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Hm, I hadn't realized that gaining Contribution points was an issue with ESO, but good point.  I'm not sure when he introduced the system, but it does seem that each subsequent gaming chapter supports the system less and less.  It very well might need a review and overhaul.  He added some extra means to donate for GW2, so I expect that the same will happen for ESO when he gets some time, later this summer.

The idea behind contribution points is to offer recognition, and a little reward, for helping out the Family with a selfless action.  Which, tbh, is sort of conflicting to me, because if its a selfless action, then why would someone be concerned about receiving reward or recognition?  Personally, when I give, I don't want back and I feel funny if I'm placed in a position to accept something back. (which is one of the reasons why my Contrib hasn't moved in a year, I don't feel right about donating and getting points, so I often help out in ways that stay "off the record"...)

Anyhoo, that moral conflict aside, it definitely is difficult to rank up in the higher levels and the gating factor seems to be the Contrib points.  So yea, I agree, its a very valid point.

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Doreth
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Replied On: 07/07/2014 at 04:19 AM PDT

glad you got your new computer so fast....  would hate for the family to miss out on someone so devoted to it...

 

lol  I wish I could get family honor points instead... have more then enough contribution points,  but honor points are going up very slowly and cant seem to get my next guild rank because of it......



» Edited on: 2014-07-07 04:20:12

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Replied On: 07/07/2014 at 07:40 AM PDT

Uhh, I admittedly haven't tried to craft anything in a long long while, but aren't contribution points the same as artisan points still lol?  If they are, then it has nothing to do about being rewarded for selfless acts but rather a means to participate in the family besides leading events or participating in events (ie crafting things for guildies). 

And with a fully functioning Marketplace, there should be no need to accept bulk donations for raw materials since the individual person should be able to request said materials themselves on the Marketplace.  I remember the insane amount of work that some of the Elders did in manually processing donations pre-Marketplace in Rift and I wouldn't want to inflict that misery on anyone.

Anyways, I might be confused as hell but unless something changed when I wasn't around contribution points should be achievable via the Marketplace.

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Thanks Izzy for all your work, and I'm glad you got your new computer! :)

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No artisan points are one of the 5 types of family honor points. A secondary fhp. Contribution points + FHP = Family Vault Credits. Contribution is required for higher ranks and can be earned by crafting and gathering and donating to charities, special events, or specific items when needed for prizes during community events.

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Oh my! Seems my inquiry into contribution points brought about a debate of sorts. A point to consider though, in most charitable donations, there is benefit to those who help and that is probably why Fog was doing so.

Most of what I do in real life, goes without reward and is done as a silent servant. Most of what I'd like to contribute to the market is not needed as I usually convert ore into ingots, fibrous plants into cloth, etc. So the opportunity to gain contribution for my next Gaiscioch rank was well anticipated.

P.S. I only became part of the family with the launch of ESO. I'm still learning and willing when I can, to be as helpful as possible.

 HODOR! :-)

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Sek. Contribution points are more available now than they were a year ago. I have changed it to offer more ways over the years. We don't do donating because vault space is very limited and I have yet found a way to incorporate a massive public community event into eao. I'm holding out hoping some large scale fights get introduced.

You can earn contribution by:

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  • Crafting items
  • Participating in Charity events (double up is active year round)
  • Donating select items for community events
  • Participation in promotional activities.

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Replied On: 07/07/2014 at 09:37 AM PDT
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Thanks Fog.  I was just curious, because while the other systems were still working fine for that it was suddenly much harder for non-crafters to get those points.  Given that it's pretty easy to level everything except Enchanting... well, it really hurts people who need those points.

Hopefully some solution for events and/or space will come along!

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Everyone can farm materials, it takes you a couple seconds to recognize a node and farm it on your way by. Those materials you can fill materials requests with. There are literally thousands of materials needed every week. Orders are being filled every day for them. It just takes a couple seconds and you can help people out. Also salvaging items you find will give you more materials which can be contributed as well.

you need to understand that the old donation system we had in Warhammer Online, required me to spend 5 hours every week to process donations. In RIFT I had a team of people on rotation who would spend 10+ hours every week to process them. After that we created the by request only system. The only reason we accept donations for GW2 is because we are supplying an entire server. I simply don't have 10 hours a week to log donations anymore. If you ever want to see me play the game and lead events I can not devote all of my time to donation processing. I would not wish that mind numbing experience on anyone.



» Edited on: 2014-07-07 11:01:25

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Replied On: 07/07/2014 at 07:06 PM PDT

Okay I'm just slightly confused now lol.

Tell me which part I have wrong here:

You can earn contribution points for fulfilling materials order requests?  Do you also get artisans points too?

You can also earn contribution points for fulfilling a crafting order?  Is that in addition to the artisans points you earn? 

This is where I got confused because I had assumed that you got both for either fulfilling a crafting or materials order on the Marketplace.  Since I have never done a lot of crafting, I've only ever fulfilled materials orders in games lol.

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Artisan points are for a crafted item.  Materials only give contribution.

Yeah, I can see where donations would end up eating up a lot of time.  Obviously there is still use of the marketplace, but the requests tend to be mostly Motifs and Purple/Gold item upgrade mats.  Yes, a few other mats are on there, but not much... which is why I wondered if maybe the contribution system might need looked at.  Anyway, it was just a thought!

Hope you all are enjoying your play time (I'm looking forward to getting back on, once this vacation is over!)

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Jairone, the reason you don't see many non-blue/purple requests is because they are getting filled so quickly. There is more supply than demand atm. Some of these orders I'm seeing being filled literally are being filled in less than 5 minutes after they are placed. So far this month 1,001 items have been sent with 277 orders completed. Thats about 40 work orders and 143 items being sent every day from ESO alone.

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  • Participating in Charity events (double up is active year round)
  • Donating select items for community events
  • Participation in promotional activities.

Most of those involve RL $ though, no?  Those are great additions, however, and I can only speak for myself, but I can't do that.  As an At-home Caregiver for an autistic child, I get paid chicken... well, chickens get paid better, tbh.  I shouldn't even be paying for games.  $400 a month sucks, but I have to care for the boy, there is no one else.  :\

I was refering to "in-game" methods and Marketplace has always been the only "in-game" methods that I've known of.

edit: oh and event donations, which I assume are still active since the listings for precursors, exotics and whatnots are still on the site?

edit2: actually, hang on a few, I just had a thought, since I'd forgotten that a lot of improvements were made to Marketplace for ESO.  I'm a perfect test case of an average member who doesn't gather, doesn't craft and doesn't have RL$, so I want to test something out, especially since its been about a year since I bothered trying to accumulate Contribution points.  I need about 11,000 to advance to next rank, so let's see how long it takes.  I'll have to rely only on in-game means, though.



» Edited on: 2014-07-08 08:16:55

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